Sunday, February 23, 2014

What is Israel's Capital City?

Hassan Nassrallah is a Shiite Matryoshka doll, open him up and this is what you will find inside.



Father's voice: Hello, what is your name

Child: Hassan Men'em

Father: How old are you Hassan

Child: 2 years

Father: What village in Lebanon are you from?

Child: Sohmor

Father: What's daddy's name?

Child: Ali

Father: What's mommy's name?

Child: Miryam

Father: Today you will name all of the Arab capitals.

Up to 2:41, the child is asked to name all the Arab capitals, including Palestine to which he responds with "Al-Quds".
At 2:41 the father asks the child to name the capital of Israel, to which the child raises his hand in the air and responds:

"There's no Israel. There is Palestine"


32 comments:

Lisa said...

Educating another generation, one by one. Bravo habibi, bye bye... ;)

Aviv said...

2a3li sawtak!

(Proud of myself - Understood everything)

Nizo said...

Lisa,
Hehe.. I must admit that the shiite accent got on my nerves, I could only listen to it once.. :)


Aviv,
Bravo 3alaik!

Nizo said...

For the record, I don't fall for any of this pro-palestinian bull-shit from the Arabs.. Overall they've killed 10 times more Palestinians than Israel ever did.. The Shiites (of Amal) besieged the camps in Lebanon in ways so horrific it makes the Israeli siege of Gaza pale in comparison..

Abu Sa'ar said...

You know, I am surprised there are not many Arabs in world-wide showbiz (comparatively speaking, of course), given the Arab cultural affinity for drama and appearances.

Why like this?

Anonymous said...

The Shiites (of Amal) besieged the camps in Lebanon in ways so horrific it makes the Israeli siege of Gaza pale in comparison..
funny because I've never seen any websites, books or songs dedicated to this - but I have heard about Sabra and Shatilla
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_massacre
Regarded as a reprisal for the Damour massacre by Islamic Palestinians & Syrians a few years earlier [2], which personally impacted Elie Hobeika [3]. The view of the Sabra and Shatila killing as a revenge for the Damour massacre was asserted by the prominent writer Samir Khalaf[4], by New York Times writer Thomas Friedman [5][6], and by author B. Gabriel who wrote that "Palestinian militiamen started the killings in 1976, long before the 1982 Sabra and Shatila massacres. Beit Mellat, Deir Achache, Damour." [7]The Damour massacre, however, had been a response to the Karantina massacre, which had taken place earlier in 1976. In the Karantina massacre, Phalangists killed an estimated 1500 Muslims.

The Phalangists stood under the direct command of Elie Hobeika, who later became a long-serving Member of Parliament and, in the 1990s, a cabinet minister. The Israeli military's Chief of Staff was Lt. General Rafael Eitan, and Israel's Defence Minister was Ariel Sharon.

Nizo said...

Abu,
What you don't watch Egyptian movies?

Anon,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_the_camps

The article says at least 2000 Palestinians died at the hands of Shiite Amal.

As for the text you posted, the following is misleading:

"Regarded as a reprisal for the Damour massacre by Islamic Palestinians & Syrians a few years earlier"

Islamic they weren't. They were predominantly Sunni by faith and leftist-secular ideologically speaking, definitely not Islamic.

Anonymous said...

That's copied directly from the wikipedia post I lined to.
A few things regarding that link -

1) whoever wrote in that history was pointing out that Christians were massacred by Muslims but as you pointed out it was a lot more complicated than that - in this case Sunni Palestinians/PLO and Syria - later in that wiki post btw.

2) The numbers not that they matter anymore - were heavily disputed I've read the amount was more like 700 at some sources and since this is before youtube etc.. and I've seen Jenin in my lifetime...

3) I've read that Sabra and Shatila was the staging point for all the PLO terrorism on the South in particular since the beginning, Christians pulled over at checkpoints and shot for being Christian on the spot raiding and bombing Christian towns for the Civil War and to use as shelling stations for Israel...

4) My MAIN point was not that you couldn't find a link describing the massacre you mention at Wikipedia but that the massacre you referred to is not known or talked about.

While websites exist specifically to promote and commemorate Sabra and shatila and it is specifically talked about and hyped by Arabs amd leftists/Europeans like any "Israeli massacre" of Arabs and Sabra and Shatila is usually the 1st or 2nd thing out of an Arab's mouth when denigrating Israel....
Until I actually knew anything about it I was literally SHOCKED/AMAZED that it wasn't even Israelis killing Palestinians - but Arab Christians doing it - if you listen to ANY Arab talk about it - and I did endlessly after 9/11 - you'd be positive that it was the IDF that went in with Sharon at the head in a tank directing and carefully organizing a massacre of any helpless Palestinian he could find.

So my point was/is what Sandmonkey stated -

1 dead Arab via an Israeli or American is worth 1000 dead Arabs via another Arab (or Muslim of any stripe...)

Nizo said...

"So my point was/is what Sandmonkey stated -

1 dead Arab via an Israeli or American is worth 1000 dead Arabs via another Arab (or Muslim of any stripe...)"

Worth to who? the liberal bleeding hearts in the UK who call for boycotts? Perhaps, but it doesn't work that way in the Middle East itself. The thousands of dead Arabs at the hands of other Arabs continue to fuel enmities and distrust far surpassing anything felt towards Israel.

On a personal note, I have a visceral hatred towards the Arabs in general for what they've done to the Palestinians. I feel more comfortable having right-wing Israeli friends than Maronites or Shiites because I know where they stand, there's no hypocrisy.

Sandmonkey is feeding you what you want to hear in this case, you should have the intelligence to dig a little deeper.

Nizo said...

Another point on:

"1 dead Arab via an Israeli or American is worth 1000 dead Arabs via another Arab (or Muslim of any stripe...)"

Israel portrays herself as the Middle East's only democracy and as an oasis of enlightenment and civilization in an area full of desert barbarians.

So if Israel wants to be part of the West, then it should be measured to a Western standard when it comes to human rights etc..

What, you want to be a western democracy but compare yourself to Syria and Iran when it comes to human rights?

You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Abu Sa'ar said...

Nizo - by comparison to the rest of the West, Israel is still a paragon of virtue and guardian of human rights. Sans that whole Armenian genocide thing, of course. Is our shame. Either way, when Israelis decide whether we're acting morally or not, it's never compared to anyone else. The Jewish culture has enough guilt to drown the world all by itself :)

Comparisons to neighbours just serve to highlight the difference.

Not that being a part of the West is such a good thing nowadays, anyway... That old man is way past his prime.

Nizo said...

"Either way, when Israelis decide whether we're acting morally or not, it's never compared to anyone else."

What are you talking about? As a result of Erdogan's criticism of Israel's handling of the flotilla, you all jumped on his case and brought up Turkey's abuses against the Kurds. Is that not a comparison?

Nizo said...

And Abu,
Where is the Jewish guilt of the settlers in Hebron and other places? I see the guilt is selective.

Abu Sa'ar said...

Ya Nizo, I mentioned a few times the siege mentality of the Jewish people. Every day is the last day. Every enemy is the last enemy. You use what you have, because if you don't, you're likely to be dead tomorrow. Ergo Erdogan promising to drown the Kurds in their own blood suddenly becoming an issue.

And hey, we have our own psychotic barbarians. If it helps, they hate me almost as much as they hate you. These people have abandoned the achievements of the Jewish civilization, guilt included, the bloody-minded fundamentalists. Hell, they hate even Rebbe Steinsaltz almost as much as they hate me. I'm afraid of them, man.

Although you can't paint all the settlers with the same brush - they come in all shapes and sizes, from messianic psychos ("Allahu akbar!") through militant pioneers ("reclaiming the lands of our forefathers") to people looking for somewhere cheap to live ("better a huge villa in Shomron than a 2-room apartment in Hasharon").

Anonymous said...

Sandmonkey is feeding you what you want to hear in this case, you should have the intelligence to dig a little deeper.

It's absolute true what he says? Take a look at Al Jazeera - lol Israeli and/or American evils is NEWS.... a lot more newsworthy than anything else...

I haven't read him regularly in a while - the whole blog internet thing wore out for me finally post 9/11... but his point stands... The Arab world's mentality - and I heard it first hand and still do! - is th go on and on about the Israeli Genocide of "our" people -
The Israeli Genocide of Palestinian kids -
The Israeli using Palestinians in prisons for bodyparts -

SHOULD I GO ON?
All things I questioned and asked about - because in a deep recess in your mind you want to check it out...

Now it's all NOISE to me...

I ******************** NEVER ***************** once heard any Arab talk or complain about the Jordanian king murder of Palestinians - the hundreds of thousands murdered in Lebanon's Civil War - Hafez Assad's murder in a leisurely weekend - the murder of Palestinians by Amal that you mentioned =

I heard endlessly about how **** EVERY THING **** in the Middle East is America's fault - including the murder of Sadat - the CIA was in on it with Mubarrek NOT the Muslim Brotherhood - about how America causes all Arab suffering....
and OF COURSE -
The Mossad REALLY is behind all and any Arab woes in the Middle East....
And I'm not talking about Muslim fundamentalists speaking this - they even admit the subconscious hatred is in the mother's milk... I didn't read about any of these things in some Israli propoganda film - I listened to it first hand after 9/11 from Arab mouths....

The ONLY reason I know about Damour is because of a Lebanese Christian friend - who fundamentally DOES hate the Arab Muslim world... due to what happened to her and her family during the civil war....

Nizo said...

You're being excessively dramatic.

The sectarian deaths in Iraq today and even Lebanon in the civil war received wide coverage in Arab media, and they have nothing to do with the US or Israel.

Are the US and Israel vilified by Arab media? Yes, what do you want words of praise?

The US bombed Iraq to bits and it's not clear why they went in there in the first place. Was Saddam worse than Arab Kings and presidents that the US props up?

I don't know what you want from me. It all goes back to what I said earlier to Abu, if you claim you're not a savage, then don't behave like one.

Nizo said...

By the way Anon, don't think for a minute that I don't repeatedly accuse the Arab world of hypocrisy, but I see things from a different angle, through the eyes of a 2nd generation refugee, because no Arab country wants to give me citizenship. They're all a bunch of assholes, no matter how many songs and poems they dedicate to Palestine. Look at the metwali asshole in the video, he'll say Al-Quds is the capital of Palestine, but he wouldn't allow a bag of concrete mix into the Palestinian refugee camps of Lebanon. It's hypocrisy central.

So here is my offer, if Israel is truly the paradise of openness and the best in the west, then give me citizenship. I have roots in Palestine pre-dating the arrival of 99% of Israelis and their forefathers. I'm also willing to like under their flag and their hatikva as long as I'm not treated as a 2nd class citizen. I'll bring IT skills with me and I already speak Hebrew.

And yet they give the citizenship to people who are less halachically Jewish than I am! Baboons from India, China and the Falasha, may Allah burn my own mother in sulphur if these opportunistic simians have a single drop of Jewish blood.

Yallah, ya open and civilized and democratic Israel, I'm waiting for my darkon.

Nizo said...

*to liVe under their flag

Anonymous said...

I hear you there is hypocrisy all around... but obviously you understand why Israel can't give you citizenship - there would be no Israel....

Not that there isn't hypocrisy within Israel itself in regards to Arab citizens that couldn't be attached at the same time as defending Israel...

A few quesions -
1) How do you know Hebrew?
2) Why don't you go live on the West Bank if you want to live there?
3) You can visit Israel can't you? Have you? didn't Mo say he has?

My point isn't only regarding the Palestinians in regards to Arab hypocrisy... There is a mentality that everything is America's fault this doesn't necessarily involve or include Israel... it's the mentality...
As a Palestinian you see clearly the hypocrisy. What I am saying is the Arab World = Hypocrisy and story telling...

The West is full of hypocrisy as well of course.... just ask a Turk about the Kurds... ask any Arab about the Kurds... they could give a shit....

In my opinion when someone/something is miserable and can't change - is failing - is being smothered - as the Arab worlds is - the ONLY thing left is to blame someone else....

Again -
I wish Israel could be made an island in the Mediterranean.. then all the self aggrandizing phony EU pussies and Westerners would fade away from the Arab 'cause' and the Arab world would have to reckon itself... as long as Israel is around there is always someone to blame...

Anonymous said...

btw - just for the record -
a) I appreciate your honesty and forthrightness
b) I don't disagree with anything per say you just said
c) As you understand on the basic minimalist level if you were to eliminate all the bluster and bullshit on both sides - there is an irreconcilable conflict that even if it were Canada and the US would be very difficult to resolve - as a Palestinian you have a legit gripe....

It's just that as a Westerner and Jew I wouldn't ask Israelis to dissappear or walk into the Mediterranean so that the Arab world can get another state....
And 60 years later the only 'refugees' I ever heard about are the Palestinians....
This is the creation of Israel's fault as well as the Arab world's fault..

Nizo said...

1) How do you know Hebrew?
2) Why don't you go live on the West Bank if you want to live there?
3) You can visit Israel can't you? Have you? didn't Mo say he has?


1-I studied Jewish Studies at Uni. and on my own before and after.

2-Because Gays aren't welcome in the WB or anywhere else in the Arab world for that matter.

3-I went once to Israel and they wouldn't let me in despite my Cdn passport. Some Israeli friends say I should have gone via Ben Gurion rather than Allenby, but it is what it is.

Anonymous said...

2-Because Gays aren't welcome in the WB or anywhere else in the Arab world for that matter.

You don't wear a sign on your back that says 'gay' do you?

Cannundrum - if Israel weren't there then how would you live there?
Fighting for a unistate and the 'return of refugees' (which has never historically occured 2 or 3 generations later) = you living in a civil war and violence much worse than Lebanon 1970s and eventually in a quasi PLO Israeli state...

Of course that will never happen - Israel if pushed would take care of that "civil war"....
but wey're just "talkin hypotheticals"...

Nizo said...

"You don't wear a sign on your back that says 'gay' do you?"

You think like a Westerner :)

There's no place in contemporary Arab society for unmarried men or women past the age of 30.. I remember interviewing for jobs in Dubai 2 years ago and my celibacy kept coming up..

Anyway, back to the topic at hand, I just posted something about the bi-national state... I think the Israelis should stop procrastinating..

Anonymous said...

well maybe you wear pink pocodot outfits - that's your sign lol...
that would also likely be your death wish living in an Arab country...

Btw I don't know if I've seen a more swarmy effeminate clearly homosexual leader than Arafat...
I don't speak Arabic so don't know if he spoke effeminately as well.

If I was a Western gov't official and had to meet him no way that guy is coming near my face - Westerners are such pussies when it comes to others' customs... I never understood what the F that meant...
What about OUR CUSTOM - or MY CUSTOM - I don't want your smelly swarmy dirty face coming near mine...

7-8 years ago - some little British punk who was working here for the summer once lectured me about Israel and then the correct pronunciation of Al Queda... after I finally got in his face and told him I don't give a F what the correct pronunciation is he shut the F up... fin Europeans...

Karen said...

Maybe it's time to bring the Arab world (Dubai, West Bank) into the 21st century. Or is it just easier to fight the Jews? If you fight for a one-state solution it won't be for just enlightened Arabs like you, Nizo. Those in Niqabs and Hijabs and other assorted Ninja outfits and their bearded husbands would come too. And then Israel wouldn't be such a gay paradise anymore would it? Maybe they can carve a piece our of historic Palestine for a bi-national gay Jewish, Muslim, Christian etc. state.

Oh, I also chuckled when you mentioned that they questioned you about your celibacy. I mean, what can I say about that, it's so unbelievable.

You know what I read the other day?! That when they capture Al Queda "fighters" and confiscate their laptops they are full of porn, guys doing it with animals and the Al Queda dudes doing it with each other. So much for religious Muslims. I guess it's do as I say, not as I do...

Abu Sa'ar said...

Say, anonymous, why're you so angry all the time?

Desand your vagina, mate :)

Nizo said...

Anon,
Arafat was the best of the worst.. Give me Yasser over all of the other religious nuts.. I just wish he didn't allow the corruption that tarnished Fatah and gave rise to Hamas. and the gay accusation is so old and cliché.. there's nothing gay or effeminate about him, he's just very touchy-feely..


Karen,
I think we gays need a state, we have gone through just as many pogroms as the Jews, if they get a state, then we should get one. I suggest the gay state would be in Tel Aviv, because a beach and cafés are essential. I would also offer to run a gay state in Gaza, but the Israelis won't keep up their end of the deal and cleanse the strip of Hamas and Islamic Jihad. Could you imagine me running a gay state.. Free healthcare all around, one proctologist for every 5 citizens :)

Abu,
Please don't disgust me with talk about vaginas, I just had dinner.

Anonymous said...

"desand your v"
sorry missed that one?

Nizo -
Because they're true...

Abu Sa'ar said...

Anon - usually when people are angry/irritated all the time they have sand in their vaginas. Removing the sand tends to make people feel better. I don't know what you use to desand yours, but I find kne bosem to be most useful for this purpose :)

Nizo, I'm just mentioning them... And I thought you liked the taste of fish :)

Mo-ha-med said...

Karen:
"Maybe it's time to bring the Arab world (Dubai, West Bank) into the 21st century. Or is it just easier to fight the Jews?"
ehh, Irrelevant much? Quite distinct issues, no? Gay rights instead of independence, really?

Abu Saar:
Actually we can - and should - paint all settlers with the same brush. Yes, I know, a decent chunk of them are only there because it's cheaper. And some because the Jewish Agency or Nefesh B Nefesh or whomever gave them gave to move to a settlement. (yes, they do.) Some want to shoot me at sight, some want the army to shoot me at sight, some wish I'd just disappear but wouldn't consider using violence. And yes, Pisgat Zeev is not the same as Emmanuel.
BUT.

The motive does matter when a crime is committed; but in the end, the crime has been committed (and if you're a judge, you're bound to impose the sanction defined by the law regardless.)
Settlers are committing a crime; they should all be viewed accordingly. I feel no sympathy for the guy who settled the West Bank because he's in love with beautiful sunsets. (and yes, I heard that one before).

Nizo:
Is that the same anonymous that I had that incredibly long and boring argument with the other day?
Ya sabrak ya akhi. Da badeeeeeeen!

Abu Sa'ar said...

Mo - to be a settler is not a crime by any definition, and the only illegal settlements are those that were built against Israeli law. My chief problem with it is that some settlements and some settlers are a problem for Israel's security.

Personally, I think we should have decided on what's the most defensible border in Yehuda and Shomron in '67, annexed all the territory to that line and pushed the Arab population from this territory to beyond the border. Would have solved a lot of problems for everyone involved.

Mo-ha-med said...

"Would have solved a lot of problems for everyone involved."
Except for the real owners of the land, the Palestinians.
How typical!

And yes, being a settler is a crime. Every single one of them. They're illegal under international law.